Culinary Weekend

Culinary Weekend

Season 1 Episode 10


Under the Texas Sky: S1:E10: Culinary Weekend at Llano Springs Ranch

Major support for this podcast comes from the Texas Parks and Wildlife

Foundation: Conserving Our Wild Things and Wild Places for Over 25 Years.


[Jesse Griffiths—09]

Still missed a few…So, I’m gonna start with the fish. I’m gonna do some


I’m gonna filet all of them. I know they’re kind of small [begin fade]

but we can

still get some nice filets…

It’s been said, “we are what we eat.” Whether it’s a carrot that was in

the ground

yesterday, or a chicken from a farm yard last month, today those things

are now

cells in our bodies.


[Jesse] We could probably get these in lime juice and olive oil… [fade

and play

under narration]

Lots of us have long been concerned about nutrition, about how what we


affects our health. But in recent years, there’s been a cultural wave of

folks who

want to know where their food comes from. And for more and more people,


means locally sourced edibles. We may shop at a farmer’s market, grow a

vegetable garden, or…perhaps the ultimate step on the locavore ladder…go


in the wild.

[Tom Harvey & Jesse Griffiths NAT SOUND—10]

[TOM] What are we doing here?

[JESSE] Pickin’ agarita. We were lucky to beat the birds to this bush.


beautiful… [trails under narration]

What would it be like to go to an award-winning Texas ranch…and to forage

among the acres…and then to eat Michelin star meals using what you had

gathered… with dishes prepared by a renowned chef who specializes in wild


and game…and then eating only what was harvested right there on the

ranch? If

that sounds as good to you as it does to me, then we invite you to the

table. In this

podcast we’re serving up a tasty new twist on some age-old traditions.


From Texas Parks and Wildlife…this is Under the Texas Sky …a podcast


nature…and people… and the connection they share…I’m Cecilia Nasti.

[RANCH NAT SOUND, CRICKETS AND BIRDS] bring up under narration…

It’s hard to imagine a more picture-perfect setting for a weekend

outdoors than

Llano Springs Ranch, just south of Junction. And it’s no ordinary group


gathered here. On this weekend the ranch is hosting Chef Jesse Griffiths

and his

crew. He’s an Austin restaurateur, cooking instructor and author of

Afield: A Chef's

Guide to Preparing and Cooking Wild Game and Fish. Jesse owns Dai Due

butcher shop and restaurant in East Austin, and the Dai Due taqueria in


Austin. He also operates the New School of Traditional Cookery. Jesse’s

made a

name for himself teaching people not only how to harvest wild food, but

also how

to cook what they collect.


[Jesse] It’s super important to get like a good sear on the meat, where


building up this crust on the bottom of the pan…

[fade searing under narration]

It was a wild food weekend...and Tom Harvey was there to sample and



[TOM HARVEY] At Llano Springs Ranch, the spring fed South Llano River


chilly cool and crystal-clear right down in front the ranch house. For

decades the

Vandivier (VAN-duh-veer) family has poured their time, money and sweat


into improving the property—removing invasive brush, helping springs


restoring native grasses and more. The result is an ecological showpiece

of wild

abundance, which earned them a Lone Star Land Steward Award in 2007.


turkey, songbirds and all manner of creatures great and small roam here.


bass swim in the ranch’s spring-fed “blue hole”—think Barton Springs Pool


Austin or Balmorhea in West Texas. All this abundant beauty draws folks

from all

over, who come here to hunt or fish, kayak or swim in the clear water, or

just hang

out and hear the breeze blow and the birds sing. This weekend, there’s a

bit of all

of that. About a dozen people have gathered to explore, to relax…and to

forage for

wild food, cook it and eat it.

[Margaret Martin NAT SOUND - 06] I like the smaller paddles, because


more tender, they have a lot more flavor… [fade ambience under script]

[TOM HARVEY] Ranch visitor Margaret Martin is picking prickly pear cactus

pads. You know, the round green pads with all the thorns sticking out.

Yeah, the

team is gonna roast ‘em to burn off the thorns and cook ‘em. In Mexico,

they call

this Nopal.

[Jesse Griffiths & Tom Harvey – 1:02]

[Jesse] Nopal has a…has a really strong role in Mexican cooking. It’s a


prominent wild vegetable. It’s easily identifiable...

[TOM] That sizzling is the nopal…

[Jesse] Yeah. That’s the moisture in them bubbling up from the fire. It

is a cactus

and it’s got some spines that can be anywhere from painful to annoying.

But I love

prickly pear and I think many people might recognize it from a menu but

might not

make the connection between what it is. Or, just the rampant availability

of it. The

fact that it’s literally everywhere. And I think that’s one thing that we

really want

to convey is that there is food everywhere around us. There are edible

plants and

things that you can eat everywhere. From prickly pear to agarita to

blackberries to

snails to fish to axis [deer] to hogs. Name it, there’s food out there

everywhere and

it’s yours for the taking.

[Andy and Erin Buckingham - 20]

[Andy] I think the foraging thing sounds kind of cool. And. I‘d love to

see the work

they’ve done on the ranch.

[Erin] Yeah, that’s what I want to see. She was telling me this morning

that they’ve

done a lot of restoration on the land, naturally. And cleared a lot of

cedar. And

that they’ve kept up with it. So, I want to see what they’re doing. [fade


under narration]

[TOM HARVEY] Erin and Andy Buckingham are paying customers this

weekend, lured out to Llano Springs Ranch from Austin.

[Andy Buckingham - 29] We jumped at the opportunity when we saw it. It


up on an email invite through the Dai Due email chain. And we saw this

opportunity to come out to a new ranch, had heard about the blue hole.

So, the fact

that we could be on that ranch was pretty exciting, the fact that Jesse

was gonna be

bringing out the Dai Due crew to cook for us all weekend, and bring the


and the good times—that was all we needed, so we signed up right away.

[TOM HARVEY] This didn’t happen by accident. The culinary ranch


is the brain child of Jay Kleberg and his partners, who have started a


called Explore Ranches. This enterprise opens the gates of some primo


to anybody who’s willing to pay to help support a ranch’s conservation


places with big mountain views, beautiful rivers and springs, and more.

For a price,

you can head out there and it’s your ranch for the weekend. Like many


concerns connected with wildlife and the landscape in Texas, it’s a

profit project

with a heart, aiming to do good things for wild things and wild places.

And, to help

city folks get back to the country…

[Jay Kleberg INTERVIEW - 29] Unless you’re a landowner, or you know a

landowner [in Texas], having access to private land with accommodations


Texas specifically is a challenge. And what we’re offering is the ability

to choose

an eco-system and a landscape that you’d like to visit on any weekend


the year and be able to go visit that place, and in most cases, have

interaction with

a multi-generational family who know the history of the land. They can

bring the

landscape to life in many ways, and I think that’s a pretty special thing

that not

many people have access to, and we want to provide that.


[TOM HARVEY] Meanwhile, back in the ranch kitchen, Jesse is holding


cooking and talking, explaining what he’s doing, with a dozen or so folks


round, watching and learning. Right now, he’s fixing to prepare some of

the fish

that Erin caught down at the blue hole earlier. They’re bluegill and long


sunfish, not the biggest swimmers out there, but Jesse explains why

bigger isn’t

always better.


[Jesse Griffiths—59] I’m a big fan of sunfish... I think they’re


fish…They’re aggressive, and hard fighters, they’re delicious, beautiful,


prolific. I just think they’re underrated. Light tackle. They’re super

fun to catch….

So this is a longear. Yeah, this is a longear. This is that big one that

you caught.

Yeah, so this is a total Hill Country native right here. Yeah, I swear

it’s one of the

biggest longear…. I mean, they usually don’t get over four, five inches.

This is a

trophy. Trophy longear right here.

[Guest] You got a picture, right?

[Jesse] Yeah, I got a really good picture of it… We’ll actually come up


enough meat on there for a soup. I like to make soup out of fish . If we

don’t have a

lot of big fish, a really good thing to do is just make soup because it

goes pretty

far. All you need is bones and a little bit of meat and you kind of make

up for it

with potatoes, and if corn’s in season, stuff like that.


[TOM HARVEY] Later, Jesse made time to talk about this ranch weekend,


cool about it, and why he thinks it’s important.

[Jesse Griffiths INTERVIEW – 3:36] - I think food is a great way to get


to connect with the natural world because everybody has to eat, generally


times a day. That gives us a lot of time for conversation in there. And

I’m not

saying that every meal has to have a lot of intention behind it or be


completely from the wild, but I really enjoy talking with people and


people about foods that are available to them from where they live and I

think it’s

really important to use your own resources and also to steward those

resources. In

the best way you possibly can.

I live in the city and I understand how hard it is to connect to the

natural world a

lot. But, you know, even in the city, it’s all around you. I mean, we

have loquat

trees and blackberries and plums and pecans and all kinds of things that

are all

around us.

We have one of the best fisheries probably in the country, a few minutes

from East

Austin, that being the Lower Colorado River. Basically, untouched

resource down

there. And it is available to people in cities. And, I think that if you

choose to see it,

then you’ll be able to experience more of it and utilize that resource.

I think hunting and fishing and food are, can be a little misunderstood.

Fishing is

easier for a lot of people to connect with, I think, because of its

perceived lower-

impact or, you know, not as hard, with guns involved, things like that,

but fishing

for food has been around for quite a while.

We are definitely starting to see a shift in younger urban people

becoming more

interested in fishing and hunting. I think it’s a pretty natural

extrapolation from

your farmer’s market, your local food conscientiousness. Maybe they’ve

got a few

chickens in their backyard and maybe they’ve planted a small garden plot

and that

maybe planted a seed that, “Oh, I could, I could continue along this same

trajectory and get more food for myself.” Or have the knowledge of where


food came from, which, once they’ve grown their own tomato, they, it’s a


easy mental leap to, “Oh, this tomato is pretty amazing. I bet a redfish

or a catfish

or a feral hog or a dove that I went out and got myself would be this


Because there’s an intangible quality to something you’ve foraged or

hunted or

caught yourself.

Maybe it’s knowing the whole story of how it came to hand, but I think

that with

the level of education that people have now and how we’re just kind of


that people are making that connection and they’re not putting the former

prejudices they might have had against hunting and fishing… and they’re


to be more openminded.

And so, we’re seeing kind of a, a bit of a push for people in cities to

at least

experience it. Maybe not do it constantly and maybe not be completely


and only eat foraged, hunted, and fished items in their homes, but at

least to go out

and give it a try once… or try to make some sort of practice of it.

From Texas Parks and Wildlife…this is Under the Texas Sky …a podcast


nature…and people… and the connection they share…I’m Cecilia Nasti.


Support from the Texas Parks and Wildlife Foundation allows us to bring


stories from Under the Texas Sky. In fact, since 1991, the Foundation has


more than $190 million to conserve the lands, waters and wildlife of our


You can help by becoming a member. Find out how at

We’re enjoying a culinary weekend at Llano Spring Ranch. It’s a beautiful


that the Vandivier family has turned into an oasis of wild abundance. Tom

Harvey’s been our guide.


16a [TOM HARVEY] It might seem like there’s an awful lot of lovely


here this weekend…but wait, there’s more! How ‘bout some live music from


great songwriter?


[TOM HARVEY] Owen Temple is a folk and country music songwriter and

musician based in Austin. He's been a finalist or winner of multiple


competitions, a professional musician for 20 years, partly as a member of


Austin rock group Band of Heathens. He landed a golden ticket to be here



[Owen Temple - 36] - The way I ended up here is by, I think around New

Year’s I

was renewing my memberships and giving to a few of the causes that I care


I was grateful for some really nice experiences outdoors around the

beginning of

the year, and I was thinking about organizations that help enable me on


great state parks trips. And so I gave to the Texas Parks and Wildlife


Saw there was a raffle, and I was like, oh, there’s one more reason to

make a

contribution today, and happily a few weeks after that, I found out that

I won to be

able to come on this culinary experience here at Llano Springs Ranch.

[TOM HARVEY] Owen has lived much of his life in the big city, and he’s


his share of loud music and crowds. But like many people, he values time



[Owen Temple - 46] - The rhythm of flashing screens and inboxes and

notifications and traffic and, I think we weren’t built for that. We

didn’t evolve in

that type environment. We need bird sounds. We need breezes. We need


motion. We need to be still in order to really…the word recreation means

to re-

create, you know, and I think that one thing we need to do, the outdoors

to do, is to

re-create ourselves. After coming out here, you know, you all should be

ready to

tackle some complex problems that we all got to do in our job. We gotta


think hard and…I think after being outdoors, you’re ready for that type

of work


[TOM HARVEY] All of us can see how things have changed, with more houses

and buildings and roads covering the landscape all the time. We remember


used to be a vacant lot, or an open field, or a stand of big trees. Maybe

it’s a place

we used to drive by and see all the time, or maybe it’s someplace we

played as a

kid. And now it’s gone. Of course, there’s still a lot of good left

that’s worth

saving. There are still wide-open spaces and places like Llano Springs

Ranch. But

like us, Owen Temple has noticed the changes, especially the exploding

growth of

his hometown, Austin. And what’re you gonna do about that, if you’re a


Well, one thing you do is write songs.

[Owen Temple DRY CREEK SONG - 109] - Yeah, speaking of being inspired by

outdoor places and people, this was kind of inspired by a place that’s on


Balcones fault line, not far from Central Austin, the edge of the Hill

Country where

there’s a great old bar and a lady that ran it for a long time. It’s

called Dry Creek.


[TOM HARVEY] We’ve put Owen’s entire song on our Podcast page as a

separate bonus for you. So, go listen to the whole thing there if you

wish. It’s a

hopeful song, about somebody standing up for something worth saving. And


strikes a chord with pretty much everyone at the Llano Springs Ranch


weekend. They see work to do to take care of our natural world, plenty of

it, yet,

both Jay Kleberg and Jesse Griffiths see good reason to hope.


[Jay Kleberg – 1:38] - What I’ve learned, in my childhood, and my work


Parks and Wildlife Foundation, is that it takes a team. From the private

landowner—especially in Texas, it’s 95% privately owned—to the


organizations, and then people that ultimately support those efforts,

whether that’s

through their own contributions, or hunting or fishing or just being

outdoors. And,

so, my hope is that when people actually get out onto these landscapes

and learn a

little bit from the landowner about what it takes to steward that

wildlife and

wildlife habitat, that hopefully they go home and realize that it’s a

team effort, and

that in order for Texas and really other places, not just in the United

States, but

elsewhere, to stay somewhat wild, that they need to get engaged somehow,


that’s with their time or with their money.

[Jesse Griffiths – 1:13] - I am very optimistic about it, because I think


sometimes, you know, we might push things to the brink—we tend to do that

a lot,

as a human race, we kind of like to come in for that last minute save a

lot of times.

And I think that we are on the right path right now. I feel really good

about the

consciousness behind food; the conversations that we’re having. We’re

more of a

microcosm of the state of Texas, I feel very good about it. We have our

own issues

here between public and private lands that are nuanced and complex. But

at the

same time, I think that we can take that culture of mostly private land

and really

make it work from a stewardship aspect, along with the incredible

resources that

we have from public lands and our Parks and Wildlife Department, which I

have a

lot of respect for. And how they get out there and educate and try to

involve people

in the outdoors very aggressively. So, I’m very optimistic about it. And

I think that

there’s a lot of signs out there that could cause one to be pessimistic,

but I think

that we can—I think we’re on the right path.


[Guest] That was really yummy.

[Jesse] Yeah…so good. [continue under narration]

24 [TOM HARVEY] From Llano Spring Ranch…this is Tom Harvey.

Before we go, we want to share a Shout Out to the Wild. It’s where you

get a

chance to share a memory or experience about the Texas outdoors with us.


Morse a retired biologist from Littleton, Colorado reached out with a


old memory of the time he was a student in Texas. He felt uncomfortable


his recollection for us but gave us permission to share it with you… our


Roger Kunshick kindly read Steve’s Shout Out for us.


[Roger Kunshick for Steve Morse—1:55]

My name is Steve Morse, and I live in Littleton, Colorado.

I went to Grad school at Angelo State University in the 1975-77 range. I

am a

biologist, and while working for the now deceased Botanist Chester Rowell


the University we spent a week over New Year’s in 1976 at the Black Gap


Management headquarters which borders the Big Bend on the East.

I remember on New Year’s Day 1976 finding 108 flowering species in the


Gap. As we were primarily Botanists, this was the purpose of our trip.

We had

sampling permits and were allowed to collect and press specimens of the


we found along the way. Since that is a quiet endeavor, we were

surrounded by

the wildlife in the area. Abundant Scaled Quail, and a couple flocks of


seemed to be always around. I loved the bobbing lizards and even the


The night sky and morning sunrises against that giant skyline were always

amazing in the clear air. Frosty mornings and shirt sleeve afternoons

just made

for the perfect time to visit. I could have stayed a month, but work

called us home.

I swore to go back. To get to the places I missed. I wanted to explore

the canyons

of the Rio Grande but did not. I graduated, moved on with life, and

never went

back. Not even close.

One of my few regrets as at my age and health, it’s probably

a bit rugged for me to get to and really see these days. But in my mind,

I see every

spikey hand to hand combat with the Lechuguilla and wish I could see


clear morning there. I hope that the time and treatment of visitors has

been kind to

the place.

Don’t put off spending time in the natural world. And don’t put off

sharing your

favorite memory of the Texas outdoors with us in your own Shout Out to


Wild…like Steve Morse of Littleton, Colorado did. Just go to

and click on the Get Involved link. And we’ll be in touch.


And so, we come to the end of another podcast. Under the Texas Sky is a

production of Texas Parks and Wildlife and is available at

or wherever you get your podcasts.

Thanks to Tom Harvey for taking us on a culinary trip to Llano Springs

Ranch, to

the Vandivier family for hosting us, to Jesse Griffiths and the Explore


crew and all those who made it a great weekend.

We record the podcast at The Block House in Austin, Texas. Joel Block

does our

sound design.

I’m your producer and host, Cecilia Nasti, reminding you that life’s

better outside

when you’re Under the Texas Sky.

Major support for this podcast comes from the Texas Parks and Wildlife

Foundation: Conserving Our Wild Things and Wild Places for Over 25 Years.

Join us again next time for Under the Texas Sky.

[Jesse] We are definitely starting to see a shift in younger urban people


more interested in fishing and hunting.