Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission
Public Hearing
November 9, 2000
Commission Hearing RoomTexas Parks & Wildlife Department Headquarters Complex
4200 Smith School Road
Austin, TX 78744
1 5 BE IT REMEMBERED THAT heretofore on the 6 9th day of November 2000, there came on to be heard 7 matters under the regulatory authority of the Parks 8 and Wildlife Commission of Texas in the Commission 9 hearing room of the Texas Parks and Wildlife 10 Headquarters Complex, Austin, Travis County, Texas, 11 beginning at 9:20 a.m., to wit: 12 13 APPEARANCES: 14 15 THE PARKS AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION: 16 Lee M. Bass, Fort Worth, Texas, Chairman 17 John Avila, Jr., Forth Worth, Texas 18 Nolan Ryan, Alvin, Texas (absent) 19 Alvin L. Henry, Houston, Texas 20 Carol E. Dinkins, Houston, Texas, Vice-Chair 21 Ernest Angelo, Jr., Midland, Texas 22 Katharine Armstrong Idsal, Dallas, Texas 23 Mark E. Watson, Jr., San Antonio, Texas (absent) 24 Richard W. (Dick) Heath, Carrollton, Texas (absent) 25 ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 2 1 THE PARKS AND WILDLIFE DEPARTMENT: 2 3 Andrew H. Sansom, Executive Director and other 4 personnel of the Parks and Wildlife Department 5 6 OTHER APPEARANCES: 7 8 Mr. Ellis Gilleland, representing Texas Animals 9 Mr. David Langford, representing Texas Wildlife 10 Association 11 Mr. David Stewart, representing SMART 12 Mr. Sparky Anderson, representing Clean Water Action 13 14 ***** 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 3 1 NOVEMBER 9, 2000 2 ***** 3 PUBLIC HEARING 4 ***** 5 9:20 a.m. 6 7 CHAIRMAN BASS: Good morning. I'd like 8 to call this meeting of the Parks and Wildlife 9 Commission to order and, Mr. Sansom, would you read 10 our public notice. 11 MR. SANSOM: Mr. Chairman, the public 12 notice of the meeting containing all items on the 13 proposed agenda has been filed in the office of 14 Secretary of State as required by chapter 551 of the 15 government code. This is referred to as the open 16 meetings law and I would like for the action to be 17 noted in the official record of the meeting. 18 Ladies and Gentlemen, we welcome you 19 here this morning and as always, I will be helping 20 the Chair today as a kind of Sergeant at Arms. He is 21 in charge of the meeting. And when we begin the 22 agenda, we've got cards for everyone who would like 23 to speak so be sure that if you want to speak that 24 you sign the card because he will call your name from 25 the cards one at a time. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 4 1 Everyone who would like to speak will 2 be asked to come up here to the podium in front of me 3 one at a time. And when your name is called, come to 4 the podium, state your name and who you represent, if 5 anyone other than yourself. The Chairman may choose 6 to call the second person in line so if you could 7 come to the back of the room, that would speed the 8 process. 9 Everyone will have three minutes to 10 speak and I will keep track of the time using this 11 traffic light here and notify you when the three 12 minutes are up. Your time can be extended if a 13 commissioner has a question for you or if they talk 14 among themselves then that will not be counted 15 against your three minutes. 16 As always, I will ask you to show 17 respect for the other members of the audience and the 18 commissioners and if you have materials that you'd 19 like to submit, hand them to Ms. Estrada here on my 20 right and we will distribute them to the 21 commissioners. 22 So welcome again and thank you very 23 much. 24 CHAIRMAN BASS: Thank you Mr. Sansom. 25 The first order of business will be ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 5 1 approval of minutes from our previous meeting. 2 VICE-CHAIR DINKINS: Mr. Chairman, I 3 have given to Ms. Estrada a list of corrections and I 4 would ask that the minutes of both of the meetings in 5 August, the public hearing and the public meeting, be 6 approved with those corrections and I so move. 7 COMMISSIONER ANGELO: Second. 8 CHAIRMAN BASS: Motion has a second. 9 All in favor? 10 COMMISSIONERS: Aye. 11 CHAIRMAN BASS: Any opposed? Motion 12 carries. Thank you. 13 (Motion carries unanimously.) 14 CHAIRMAN BASS: Acceptance of gifts 15 through those that have been distributed, and the 16 Chair would entertain a motion for approval. 17 COMMISSIONER ANGELO: Approve the list 18 as presented. 19 CHAIRMAN BASS: Chair has a motion. 20 COMMISSIONER AVILA: Second. 21 CHAIRMAN BASS: And a second. All in 22 favor? 23 COMMISSIONERS: Aye. 24 CHAIRMAN BASS: Oppose? Thank you. 25 (Motion carries unanimously.) ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 6 1 LIST OF DONATIONS 2 3 1) DONOR: Highland Industries, Inc. 4 DESCRIPTION: Vests 5 PURPOSE OF DONATION: Hunter Education Program 6 7 2) DONOR: Walls Industries, Inc. 8 DESCRIPTION: Vests 9 PURPOSE OF DONATION: Hunter Education Program 10 11 3) DONOR: Big John's Soft Plastics 12 DESCRIPTION: Soft Plastic Fishing Lures 13 PURPOSE OF DONATION: Angler Education 14 15 4) DONOR: DowAgroScience 16 DESCRIPTION: Herbicides 17 PURPOSE OF DONATION: Bison Herd, Caprock Canyon 18 S.P. 19 20 5) DONOR: Friends of Lake McQueeney 21 DESCRIPTION: Mobile Phone and Service 22 PURPOSE OF DONATION: Patrol Communications 23 24 6) DONOR: Polaris Industries, Inc. 25 DESCRIPTION: 1999 Polaris Genesis personal ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 7 1 watercraft 2 PURPOSE OF DONATION: Law Enforcement patrol, 3 search & rescue and water safety education 4 5 7) DONOR: South Plains Gun Club 6 DESCRIPTION: CASH 7 PURPOSE OF DONATION: Youth Shooting Sports 8 9 8) DONOR: Temple Inland Forest Products Corporation 10 DESCRIPTION: Food and Lodging 11 PURPOSE OF DONATION: May meeting of Texas Rivers 12 Conservation Advisory Board 13 14 9) DONOR: Western Governors Conference 15 DESCRIPTION: CASH 16 PURPOSE OF DONATION: Lesser Prairie Chicken 17 Research Project 18 19 10) DONOR: American Heart Assn. Texas Affiliate, 20 Inc. DESCRIPTION: CASH 21 PURPOSE OF DONATION: Youth Shooting Sports 22 23 11) DONOR: Sportsmen's Club of Ft. Worth 24 DESCRIPTION: CASH 25 PURPOSE OF DONATION: Expo Whiz-Bang ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 8 1 12) DONOR: NSSA & NSCA 2 DESCRIPTION: CASH 3 PURPOSE OF DONATION: Youth Shooting Sports 4 5 13) DONOR: Bar Walker Taxidermy 6 DESCRIPTION: Mounted Rio Grande Turkey 7 PURPOSE OF DONATION: Youth Education 8 9 TOTAL OF DONATIONS: $47,259.20 10 11 ********************* 12 13 CHAIRMAN BASS: Mr. Sansom, retirement 14 certificates and service awards. 15 MR. SANSOM: Mr. Chairman, if you could 16 join me at the podium at this time. 17 It does give me a great deal of 18 pleasure to present to you all, and to our audience, 19 those Parks and Wildlife employees who are retiring 20 or have served for many years in the service of the 21 resources and the people of Texas. 22 The first person that I have the great 23 privilege of introducing to you this morning, I first 24 met when he was a fireman in Lubbock, Texas. 25 Dick Frisbie joined Parks and Wildlife ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 9 1 as the landscape architect 28 years ago and 2 throughout those 28 years, he has traveled to 3 virtually every small town in Texas, that is those 4 counties under 28,000 in population and cities under 5 17,000 and helped them put their parks together. 6 There are places in Texas where, when Dick Frisbie 7 comes to town, they roll out the red carpet because, 8 because of him, they have parks and recreation 9 facilities for their children. 10 Retiring today with 28 years of service 11 to Texas Parks and Wildlife, my friend and college 12 class mate, Richard J. Frisbie from State Parks. 13 (Applause.) 14 MR. SANSOM: From Inland Fisheries, 15 Glen Alexander started as a technician at the 16 Huntsville Hatchery in 1973, that's 27 years ago. 17 While he was there, he stocked eight different 18 species of fish, from catfish to Northern pike. In 19 1983, he was promoted to hatchery manager at Possum 20 Kingdom. He's been responsible for stocking and 21 producing over 22 million fish in the Texas waters. 22 He has developed new fish culture techniques for 23 species from black bass to striped bass and he 24 actually initiated a new culture program for rainbow 25 trout, raising them from eggs produced from Colorado ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 10 1 to fingerlings for stocking into the Guadalupe 2 river. 3 Please recognize retiring at Graford, 4 Texas with 27 years of service, Glen A. Alexander 5 from Inland Fisheries. 6 (Applause.) 7 MR. SANSOM: We had the best retirement 8 party here a while back for Sylvia Mojica, it was 9 wonderful. Sylvia has been in administrative 10 resources here in the building for 23 years. She 11 started in Inland Fisheries as a branch secretary and 12 has worked steadily up through the ranks in 13 purchasing and contracting in the finance division. 14 In 1990, she became a purchasing assistant and 15 progressed through the ranks til she entered the 16 professional ranks as a professional purchaser in 17 1994 and now holds the highest rank for purchasers in 18 state government until her retirement in August of 19 2000. 20 Please recognize today, with 23 years, 21 Sylvia Mojica. 22 (Applause.) 23 MR. SANSOM: She told me that -- she 24 said that when it rains, she just rolls back over and 25 stays in the house. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 11 1 The following recipients are thankfully 2 not retiring but have served for many, many years. 3 Amazingly, the first recipient is a person who we all 4 recognized recently as one of the department's most 5 outstanding employees. 6 David Campbell started at the 7 Lewisville Fish Hatchery as a hatchery assistant in 8 1965. He moved to Tyler in 1968 and was promoted to 9 superintendent in '72. He was one the originators of 10 the ShareLunker program. He was the person who began 11 the initiative to create what is now the Texas Fresh 12 Water Fishery Center in Athens. He received the 13 department's award for special achievement in 1999 14 primarily for the ShareLunker program. His name is 15 synonymous with big bass and he is one of the persons 16 who is responsible for making Texas the best place to 17 fish for large mouth bass in the world. 18 Please recognize David Campbell with 35 19 years of service in Inland Fisheries. 20 (Applause.) 21 MR. SANSOM: During our recent Lone 22 Star Legacy weekend, which I know many of you 23 attended and participated in, one of the most 24 spectacular series of events was at the Gene Howe 25 Wildlife Management Area up on the Canadian River. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 12 1 For 30 years David Dvorak has worked in 2 the Panhandle. He started as a biologist at Wheeler 3 and he's lived in Dalhart and Clarendon and Canyon 4 and some of the most beautiful and, frankly, least 5 appreciated parts of Texas. He was promoted to 6 district leader at one time and until his transfer in 7 1990 to Matador Wildlife Management Area where he now 8 is the area manager for both Matador and Gene Howe. 9 He also has responsibility for all of our Playa Lakes 10 Wildlife Management Areas in the Panhandle as well. 11 Please welcome David Dvorak with 30 12 years of service in the Wildlife division. 13 (Applause.) 14 MR. SANSOM: Majorie Martinez, we call 15 her "Sue". She started to work in the department in 16 1970 at Stephen F. Austin State Historical Park and 17 she's been there ever since. She knows every 18 customer that comes in, she enjoys them, she has met 19 customers from all over the world and has made lots 20 of friends. She has created a wild scape in her own 21 yard and when she retires, she's going to be a camp 22 host so she can visit all the state parks. Texas 23 Parks and Wildlife is a special part of her life and 24 she is a special part of our family. 25 Please recognize Sue Martinez with 30 ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 13 1 years of service from State Parks. 2 (Applause.) 3 MR. SANSOM: Good job. 4 Congratulations. 5 MS. MARTINEZ: See you in four more 6 years. 7 MR. SANSOM: I look forward to it. 8 One of the most challenging issues that 9 I think we face these days is the potential transfer 10 of some our facilities, all of which are important 11 and beloved to other institutions. The forefront of 12 that has been John Garbutt. He's worked in State 13 Parks for 25 years. He started at Caprock Canyons as 14 a park ranger. He was assistant superintendent at 15 Lake Whitney through 1980. And currently, he is 16 supervising the transition of Jim Hogg State 17 Historical Park. He's handling it professionally, 18 he's a valued employee and we recognize him today 19 with 25 years of service. 20 John Garbutt from State Parks. 21 (Applause.) 22 MR. SANSOM: Well, I'm glad that we're 23 recognizing the next recipient here, rather than some 24 locations along the Texas Coast. Hal Osburn is 25 working for Coastal Fisheries for 25 years and I ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 14 1 think all of us witnessed this year what stress can 2 bring to a true professional who is truly committed 3 to science and to preserving the natural resources of 4 Texas. 5 Hal's been with Coastal Fisheries, he's 6 been a scientist and manager. He's done extensive 7 field research throughout the bays and the Gulf of 8 Mexico. He's authored dozens of fisheries-related 9 scientific journal articles and technical 10 manuscripts. He assisted in the creation of such 11 programs as the department's Artificial Reef Program 12 which is renowned throughout the United States. He 13 helped create our Limited Entry System and License 14 Buyback Programs for the commercial shrimp, crab and 15 finfish fisheries in Texas. 16 Because of him, our commercial 17 fisheries in Texas will continue to thrive and the 18 recreational fishery will grow as well. But most 19 importantly, we will have marine resources in future 20 generations. 21 Please recognize the director of 22 Coastal Fisheries today, Hal Osburn with 25 years of 23 service to Texas Parks and Wildlife. 24 (Applause.) 25 MR. SANSOM: One of the most important ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 15 1 contributors in our system to the economy of Texas is 2 the Texas State Railroad, it's extraordinary, we've 3 struggled with problems associated with it but it is 4 a true institution in Texas for tourism. 5 Everett Byrd began his employment with 6 the department in 1980 as a ranger at the Railroad 7 Maintenance Department. And if you've never gone 8 through those shops over there, that is one of the 9 most sophisticated maintenance operations of any kind 10 of facility of its kind in the country. He was 11 promoted to a Ranger III and reclassified as a 12 supervisor in 1981. He's been a maintenance mechanic 13 there and he is now the supervisor or shop foreman in 14 the Rusk Maintenance Shop, where he takes care of one 15 of the most complicated devices that we have to 16 manage in our system. 17 Please recognize Everett Byrd from 18 State Parks with 20 years of service. 19 (Applause.) 20 MR. SANSOM: Marvin Hill, we call him 21 "M.L.", he works in Infrastructure and he has been 22 in the department for 20 years. You all participated 23 with us in recognizing M.L. recently, where he was 24 named Employee of the Year for Natural Quality 25 Service. He started as an assistant crew ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 16 1 superintendent back in 1980 and he's worked on 2 projects as diverse as Guadalupe River State Park, 3 Brazos Bend, Martin Creek, South Llano and the 4 expansion of Garner. He was promoted to a crew 5 superintendent where he has become increasingly 6 involved in planning and management, a very high 7 priority construction project. He is known 8 throughout the department for his ability to break 9 down the kind of organizational barriers between 10 divisions and among diverse groups of people within 11 the department, improving the construction process 12 and creating new methods and procedures for handling 13 construction projects. 14 Please recognize with 20 years of 15 service from the Infrastructure Division, Marvin L. 16 "M.L." Hill. 17 (Applause.) 18 MR. SANSOM: If you want to see some 19 state employees working hard, you need to go down to 20 the South Houston District Office of Law Enforcement. 21 It's one of the busiest facilities that we manage, 22 it's fraught with problems, it's people from 23 throughout the Galveston Bay System come to register 24 their boats or complain about this and that and it's 25 one of the most challenging supervisory positions in ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 17 1 the system because of the tremendous volume of money 2 that goes through there. And I believe that the 3 person I'm going to introduce to you next, Dick 4 Herzog, is one of the best supervisors in our 5 system. 6 His first duty assignment in 1980 was 7 in El Campo. He was promoted in 1997 to the 8 Captain's position in Harris County. Today, he 9 supervises Harris and Chambers County Wardens but he 10 also runs that South Houston District Office where 11 everyone should at least stop by once in their tenure 12 with Parks and Wildlife to see what it's really like 13 on the front lines. 14 Please recognize Dick Herzog, 20 years 15 of service as a captain, Houston, Texas. 16 (Applause.) 17 MR. SANSOM: Congratulations. 18 These guys today, most of them 19 graduated from the 35th Game Warden Academy, 20 including Robert Levens now in Burnet. Robert 21 started at Cameron County which is a coastal 22 assignment and he led the district during the time he 23 was there in both the number of cases that he filed 24 and the confiscations of illegal gill nets and 25 trotlines in the Lower Laguna Madre. He transferred ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 18 1 to Burnet County in 1987 and today he is right in the 2 middle of the special emphasis that we place in the 3 Highland Lakes on water safety in and around all of 4 the beautiful lakes in Central Texas. 5 Please recognize from Burnet County, 6 Game Warden V, Robert Levens with 20 years of 7 service. 8 (Applause.) 9 MR. SANSOM: Tom Lyons, a park ranger 10 from Livingston. He began to work there in 1980 at 11 Lake Livingston State Park. He has been consistently 12 promoted through the ranger ranks and he was 13 commissioned a Park Peace Officer or Ranger III in 14 1997. He's been there all those years and is 15 responsible for helping maintain one of the most 16 popular parks in this system at Lake Livingston. 17 Please recognize Thomas C. Lyons with 18 20 years of service in State Parks. 19 (Applause.) 20 MR. SANSOM: From Fredericksburg, 21 Texas, another graduate of that 35th Academy, 22 Forester Mills, Jr., he's been there 20 years. He 23 started, actually, in Colorado County at Eagle Lake 24 but he moved, he was transferred to Gillespie County 25 and today he is the Game Warden V for that region. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 19 1 He is located in Fredericksburg and celebrating 20 2 years of service to the Parks and Wildlife. 3 Please recognize Forester Mills from 4 Law Enforcement Division. 5 (Applause.) 6 MR. SANSOM: We call him "Buddy". 7 I tell you, the North Houston Regional 8 Law Enforcement Office is pretty busy, too, and 9 George Etta Pickett started there in 1980 as a 10 front-line accounting clerk. She's moved up the 11 ladder steadily to administrative technician and 12 other duties and she's worked under the duration, 13 which means really she's trained four different 14 commanders in the North Houston office. The special 15 awards she says that she has received has been the 16 support of all of the commanders, captains, clerks, 17 game wardens, boat mates and technicians in the law 18 enforcement division. 19 Please recognize George Etta Pickett, 20 20 years of services to Law Enforcement, Houston 21 Texas. 22 (Applause.) 23 MR. SANSOM: Hilda Sanchez from Saint 24 Hedwig, Texas was the first Hispanic female named 25 game warden in Texas and probably in the United ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 20 1 States. She was signed to San Antonio when she 2 graduated from the Academy 20 years ago and she 3 remains there today. She has recently been commended 4 by this department for saving a citizen's life 5 through Cardio Pulmonary Resuscitation. 6 Please recognize Hilda Sanchez of Game 7 Warden V with 20 years of service to Law Enforcement. 8 (Applause.) 9 MR. SANSOM: Another graduate of that 10 class first went to Van Horn, then he worked in 11 Harlingen and Seguin where he is today. Jose Vega 12 received a special commendation in recognition of his 13 heroic efforts going above and beyond the call of 14 duty to save lives in the floods along the Guadalupe 15 in 1998. 16 From Seguin, Texas, Jose Vega with 20 17 years of service. 18 (Applause.) 19 MR. SANSOM: Finally members, I present 20 to you Danny Villalobos from Law Enforcement. Danny 21 started in Calhoun County, he worked in Port Lavaca 22 and today he's in San Antonio. He's known by wardens 23 throughout Texas and was recognized by the 24 San Antonio Police Department's Meritorious Award for 25 action during a traffic accident which resulted in ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 21 1 his saving the life of a nine year-old girl. 2 Of special interest to me, and I know 3 each of you, is that he has been inducted into the 4 Harlandale Independent School District Hall of Fame 5 for his community involvement providing outdoor 6 recreation and involvement for kids involving hunting 7 and fishing trips. 8 Please recognize Game Warden V, Daniel 9 Villalobos from Helotes, 20 years of service. 10 (Applause.) 11 MR. SANSOM: Well, I see that my good 12 friend, mentor, conservationist, former member of 13 this commission, Mr. Louis Stumberg, has arrived. 14 And so along with Mr. Andy Phillips of the 15 Shikar-Safari International, Mr. Fausto Yturria, 16 Danny Butler, Mike and Kay Breedlove and 17 Mrs. Phillips is here as well, I would like to 18 introduce to you this year's Shikar-Safari officer of 19 the year. 20 This year's award recipient, and this 21 is one of the most prestigious awards for 22 conservation law enforcement in the United States, is 23 a 12 year veteran of our department, Game Warden 24 Randy Bullard. 25 Randy has averaged 220 apprehensions ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 22 1 per year during the 12 years that he has served as a 2 game warden. He works very closely with the other 3 wardens as well as employees of other law enforcement 4 entities including the county sheriff, troopers from 5 the Department of Public Safety and staff from the 6 state park system. As a result of that cooperation, 7 Randy has been the recipient of the Officer of the 8 Year award, as well as Member of the Year from the 9 Mitchell County Peace Officers Association and Game 10 Warden of the Year from the Abilene VFW. 11 He is especially involved in youth 12 activities. During the first eight months of this 13 fiscal year alone, he gave 20 youth programs, 14 sponsored a dove hunt for one youth group of 15 underprivileged children and a deer hunt for 16 another. And on top of that, a two-day wildlife 17 identification outing for three different schools. 18 Due to Randy Bullard's enthusiasm for 19 his job, his willingness to accept whatever 20 assignment is given him, his unselfish efforts for 21 youth and his self-motivation and the motivation of 22 others and the respect that he has earned from the 23 people of his community in Mitchell County, I was 24 very proud to recommend him for his award. 25 Mr. Phillips is President of ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 23 1 Shikar-Safari and, along with his group, I would like 2 to introduce to you Warden Randy Bullard and the 3 leadership of Shikar-Safari International. 4 (Standing ovation and applause.) 5 MR. SANSOM: Herb Stumberg is also 6 here. 7 MR. PHILLIPS: Mr. Chairman, commission 8 members, it's a real honor for us to be here today. 9 My name is Andy Phillips, I'm past president of 10 Shikar-Safari Club and the current president is 11 Fausto Yturria, South Texas rancher and businessman 12 and basically a pretty good guy. 13 MR. YTURRIA: Sometimes. 14 MR. PHILLIPS: Sometimes. Fausto's 15 going to make the presentation for us today to Warden 16 Bullard. 17 Just a few words about our 18 organization: We were founded in 1952. About 25 19 years ago, the foundations of Shikar-Safari Club 20 International recognized the need to recognize the 21 wildlife officers around our United States and Canada 22 who have done so much for the preservation and 23 conservation of wildlife. 24 We founded a program at that point in 25 time where each year the members of that winner's ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 24 1 coworkers, his own coworkers, would select by 2 recommendation the person that they thought was the 3 most outstanding among themselves. Those 4 recommendations would be passed on to the directors 5 of each of the departments and we're proud to say 6 that over these last 25 years we've enjoyed 7 presenting this award to those fine men and women who 8 have won in 49 of the 50 states and all of the 9 Canadian Provinces. 10 I received an e-mail yesterday from 11 Mike Fain who all of you know as a wonderful member 12 of this organization, a great man, an outstanding 13 former recipient of this award who is battling cancer 14 right now in Houston. And he said for me to 15 congratulate Warden Bullard and to say how proud he 16 was of him because the proudest moment in his career 17 was the winning of this award. And I'm happy to give 18 that message to you this morning. And I'll turn the 19 floor over to Fausto. 20 MR. YTURRIA: Thank you very much, 21 Mr. Chairman, commissioners. Andy, we're delighted 22 to be here today. This is always a special moment 23 for Shikar-Safari Club. 24 If you will, I'd just like to read a 25 few things here, if I may: Wildlife conservation is ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 25 1 one of the primary concerns of our worldwide 2 membership. A principle purpose for which the club 3 was organized involves the protection enhancement and 4 preservation of wildlife species with particular 5 emphasis on the endangered and threatened species by 6 encouraging and promoting the enforcement of 7 conservation laws and regulations and by other 8 appropriate means. 9 Being selected for this prestigious 10 award places Randy in a very distinguished group of 11 officers who have achieved that recognition by their 12 outstanding performance and dedication to duty. 13 All too seldom do the fine wildlife 14 officers receive the recognition and encouragement 15 they so richly deserve for protecting and preserving 16 our wildlife. We in Shikar-Safari Club International 17 hope that by presenting this award each year, we can, 18 in some small way, make a worthy contribution. 19 Randy, let me read the certificate: 20 The Shikar-Safari Club International Annual Award 21 presented to the Wildlife Officer of the Year, Randy 22 Bullard, in the State of Texas. This award is 23 presented by the Shikar-Safari Club International in 24 recognition of meritorious service in the field of 25 wildlife conservation and law enforcement for the ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 26 1 year 2000. 2 Congratulations. 3 (Applause.) 4 MR. YTURRIA: One of the other items 5 that will be presented is very special. It is a 6 Shikar-Safari Wildlife Officer of the Pin which has 7 been authorized by the Commission to be worn by the 8 Officer of the Year for the Texas Parks and Wildlife 9 Department. And Mrs. Phillips will pin the pin on 10 him without inflicting any damage, I hope. 11 If you'll turn around here. 12 So here is your certificate. We 13 also -- Andy, come on. No, no, no, go ahead. You do 14 that. 15 MR. PHILLIPS: Randy, this is a pewter 16 plate in commemoration of your award which you can 17 take home to your wife and give her something out of 18 this deal. 19 Congratulations. 20 (Applause and group photograph.) 21 MR. YTURRIA: Tame another one, Jim. 22 Thank you. 23 MR. STUMBERG: Can I just say one 24 word? 25 MR. SANSOM: Yes, sir. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 27 1 MR. STUMBERG: Mr. Chairman and 2 Honorable Members of the Commission, yesterday 3 evening I visited a good friend of mine and yours, 4 Mark Watson. And he said one of the most touching 5 things that happened with one of the first people to 6 be there yesterday morning was Andy. And I 7 appreciate it and he did. Thank you. 8 (Applause.) 9 MR. SANSOM: That concludes our awards 10 but I would like to call attention to the fact that 11 we are fortunate this morning to have Mr. Larry Hodge 12 who is the executive editor of Parks and Wildlife 13 Press, Elaine Robbins who is the new executive 14 director of Texas Parks and Wildlife Magazine, Susan 15 Ebert, the publisher of our magazine, to announce to 16 you that we have now on the stands the Official Guide 17 to Texas Wildlife Management Areas. This is the 18 companion to The Official Guide to Texas State Parks 19 and will be available and is a beautiful, beautiful 20 publication. We have one for each of you. And I'd 21 just like to thank you all for producing it and let 22 you all know today that is a very important cog in 23 our efforts to familiarize people with the wonderful 24 opportunities available on WMA's throughout our 25 state. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 28 1 Thank you very much. 2 CHAIRMAN BASS: Thank you, Mr. Sansom. 3 AGENDA ITEM NO. 1: ACTION- CONSENT AGENDA 4 CHAIRMAN BASS: The next order of 5 business is the approval of our agenda. We have one 6 item eligible for the consent agenda which is Item 7, 7 it's artwork for the stamps. And the Chair would 8 entertain a motion to move that consent agenda and 9 proceed with the agenda as published with one other 10 alteration, Item 11 is to be removed from the agenda 11 of today's meeting. 12 So actually, those two items, the Chair 13 would entertain a motion. 14 VICE-CHAIR DINKINS: So moved. 15 COMMISSIONER AVILA: Second. 16 CHAIRMAN BASS: We have a motion and a 17 second. All in favor? 18 COMMISSIONERS: Aye. 19 CHAIRMAN BASS: Any opposed? Okay. 20 (Motion carries unanimously.) 21 And that brings us to the approval of 22 the consent agenda. All in favor -- a motion? 23 COMMISSIONER ANGELO: Move approval. 24 VICE-CHAIR DINKINS: Second. 25 CHAIRMAN BASS: Motion and a second. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 29 1 All in favor? 2 COMMISSIONERS: Aye. 3 CHAIRMAN BASS: Opposed? 4 (Motion carries unanimously.) 5 We have several people here that have 6 come to join us from Ducks Unlimited and they're 7 going to do a briefing or announcement for us here 8 today. And the Chair would like to ask them to be 9 our next order of business, please. 10 (WHEREUPON a briefing item was 11 presented to the Commission, after which the 12 following proceedings were had:) 13 AGENDA ITEM NO. 2: BRIEFING - EXPO IX WRAP-UP 14 CHAIRMAN BASS: Next order of business 15 let's do a wrap-up briefing from Expo. Ernie. 16 (WHEREUPON a briefing item was 17 presented to the Commission, after which the 18 following proceedings were had:) 19 AGENDA ITEM NO. 3: ACTION - RULE REVIEW 20 CHAIRMAN BASS: Item 3, action item 21 rule review, please. 22 MR. McCARTY: Mr. Chairman, 23 Commissioners. For the record, my name is Gene 24 McCarty I'm chief of staff for the agency. 25 I would like to present for you for ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 30 1 your consideration the departments's review of 2 existing regulations: House Bill 1 of the 75th 3 Legislature and Senate Bill 178 of the 76th 4 Legislature directed all state agencies to review 5 existing regulations no later than every four years 6 after the Rule becomes final. 7 This review is an assessment of whether 8 the reasons for initially adopting the regulations 9 continue to exist and is to be conducted in 10 accordance with the administrative procedures act. 11 A little background on regs review: As 12 you know, the department conducted a voluntary review 13 which was completed in January of 1997. In August of 14 '98, we published a plan for our review in 15 accordance with what's outlined in House Bill 1. And 16 in October of 2000, we published a notice of intent 17 to review with the Texas Register with proposed 18 amendments to Chapters 51, The Executive; 52, 19 Wildlife and Fisheries; 55, Law Enforcement and 61, 20 Design and Construction. 21 At this point, we've received no public 22 comment on these proposed changes. As a result of 23 this rule staff proposes the following actions: 24 First, to readopt Chapter 51 with the following 25 amendments: Amend Subchapter A, Petition for ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 31 1 Rulemaking -- and I'll go over that in a little more 2 detail. Repeal Subchapter B, Practices and 3 Procedures in Contested Cases to eliminate redundancy 4 with existing state law. This particular section is 5 already covered in Government Code 2260. 6 Amend subchapter D, Litigation and 7 Other Legal Action to allow the executive director to 8 name a designee to act on his or her behalf. 9 Amend Subchapter G, Closely Related 10 Nonprofit Organizations to eliminate the list of 11 entities designated as closely related. 12 We also had proposed and published a 13 repeal of Subchapter C, Easement Requests, but after 14 further review, we propose to rescind that request. 15 We also propose to readopt Chapter 52, 16 Wildlife and Fisheries; readopt Chapter 55, law 17 enforcement. These chapters are regularly reviewed 18 and the need for these rules continue to exist. And 19 readopt Chapter 61, Design and Construction, with a 20 minor amendment to Subchapter A, soliciting bids to 21 allow the agency to solicit bids through a more 22 wildly disseminated invitation to bid process. 23 Let me -- based on our discussion 24 yesterday in committee, I would propose two 25 additional changes to the procedures for petition for ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 32 1 rulemaking: One would be the staff would -- it's 2 near the bottom of the page here -- it will be that 3 staff will initiate follow-up to ensure all 4 commissioners are aware of the petition. 5 And secondly, we would propose to add a 6 section here again at the bottom of the page that at 7 each commission meeting, staff would provide members 8 with a status report on petitions for rulemaking. 9 These are based on what I believe were your requested 10 changes from yesterday's commission meeting -- 11 committee meeting. 12 The staff recommends that Parks and 13 Wildlife Commission adopt the following motion: 14 Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission adopts with 15 proposed changes to the text, as published in the 16 October 6th, 2000 issue of the Texas Register for 17 Chapter 51, with amendments; Chapter 52; Chapter 55; 18 Chapter 61, with amendments. 19 I would -- any questions of the 20 commission? 21 CHAIRMAN BASS: Mr. Gilleland, would 22 you like to give your public comments at this time? 23 MR. GILLELAND: My name is Ellis 24 Gilleland, a private citizen, speaking for Texas 25 Animals which is an animals rights organization on ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 33 1 the Internet. 2 I can't cover all your rules in three 3 minutes; I can give you one handout which pertains to 4 the last item, Chapter 61, Design and Construction, 5 which I feel the most important because it does not 6 take into account what the actual law is. I'll only 7 give you one copy of the SB which -- 874, which 8 designates that the new law and your rule as proposed 9 does not conform with that SB 874 which says it's for 10 professional services only, it's not for 11 construction. It must conform with Subchapter A, 12 Chapter 2254, the government code, which it does 13 not -- and you have a copy of that -- and it says 14 the Rule must be consistent with applicable state 15 procurement practices for the soliciting and awarding 16 the contract under this section. It does not do that 17 because the -- as you see in the handout -- the 18 applicable law is that you advertise as a minimum in 19 the Texas Register. I call your attention to the 20 fact that all contracts contrary to this can be 21 voided. 22 Moving on to the other items in your 23 rulemaking: On your easement, I would ask you to -- 24 this is not true what Judy says in here about all the 25 items are included in the contract because if you ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 34 1 look at your own rule, 51.92, there are four items 2 crucial which should be in the easement application. 3 The person seeking the easement should describe the 4 activity, the easement, minimize adverse impacts on 5 the environment -- and state to use it. There are no 6 feasible or prudent alternatives exist to the 7 easement and discuss the alternative with Judy, 8 with -- and Mr. Sansom. I'll have you eliminate all 9 of those environmental protections for the sake of 10 expediency. 11 So I ask that you reject the rulemaking 12 on the easement. In fact, I would call it fraud. 13 The petition for rulemaking, 51.2, I'd eliminate 14 No. 1 of Section A because you're putting prior 15 restriction on the person seeking the rulemaking. 16 You're saying that -- it's a chicken and egg thing, 17 you must do all these administrative things before 18 you even recognize it being an application. You do 19 not do that with the easement. On the easement, you 20 eliminate all the requirements. Something you want, 21 you eliminate all the prior requirements and when it 22 comes to rulemaking, you stick in these prior 23 requirements so you must jump through all these hoops 24 before we even consider an application. 25 Then the last thing I'd like to beseech ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 35 1 you -- do not eliminate the listing of your 2 nonprofit -- closely related nonprofit organization. 3 When the NRA is closely in bed with you, I think the 4 public should know about that. So do not eliminate 5 listing. You're closely related. 6 MR. SANSOM: Thank you, Mr. Gilleland. 7 MR. GILLELAND: Thank you. 8 MR. SANSOM: Mr. Chairman, I would like 9 for counsel to address Mr. Gilleland's comments. 10 Judy Doran. 11 MS. DORAN: For the record, I'm Judy 12 Doran, the administrative resources division. I 13 agree with Mr. Gilleland on the easement comments. 14 And in fact, we withdrew our request to delete that 15 section. As far as the comment -- 16 MR. SANSOM: So the motion as amended 17 deletes those issues? 18 MS. DORAN: That's right. 19 The comments on the Design 20 Construction, I think that the Rule as published was 21 not meant to eliminate the publishing in the Texas 22 Register so -- I think that pretty much takes care of 23 most of the comments. 24 Any questions? 25 CHAIRMAN BASS: Questions or comments ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 36 1 from the Commission for counsel? 2 COMMISSIONER AVILA: I'd just say that 3 we know that in the Infrastructure Division that 4 Construction Management Professional Services' 5 services have to be advertised by state law in the 6 Register and other publications as well. So we're 7 not going to change that. 8 MS. DORAN: That's right. 9 CHAIRMAN BASS: Any other questions or 10 comments? Motion? 11 COMMISSIONER AVILA: So moved. 12 CHAIRMAN BASS: And a second? 13 COMMISSIONER IDSAL: Second. 14 CHAIRMAN BASS: I have a motion to 15 second to approve the item as amended. All in 16 favor? 17 COMMISSIONERS: Aye. 18 CHAIRMAN BASS: Any opposed? Motion 19 carries. Thank you. 20 (Motion carries unanimously.) 21 "The Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission adopts, with 22 changes to the proposed text as published in the 23 October 6, 2000, issue of the Texas Register (25 24 TexReg 10198): 25 1) Within 31 TAC Chapter 51 (Executive), the ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 37 1 repeal of Subchapter B (Practice and Procedure in 2 Contested Cases), and Subchapter C (Easement Requests 3 and Unauthorized Easement Activity); the repeal of 4 51.1, 51.3 and 51.4, an amendment to 51.2 and new 5 51.3 within Subchapter A (Procedures for Adoption of 6 Rules); an amendment to 51.131 within Subchapter D 7 (Department Litigation); and an amendment to 51.162 8 within Subchapter G (Nonprofit Organizations), and 9 the readoption of all other sections within Chapter 10 51. 11 2) The readoption of the contents of Chapter 52 12 (Wildlife and Fisheries). 13 3) The readoption of the contents of Chapter 55 14 (Law Enforcement). 15 4) Within Chapter 61 (Design and Construction), 16 an amendment to section 61.22 within Subchapter A 17 (Contracts for Public Works) and the readoption of 18 all other sections within Chapter 61." 19 AGENDA ITEM NO. 4: ACTION - PETITION FOR RULEMAKING 20 CHAIRMAN BASS: Item 4, Petition for 21 rulemaking. 22 MR. RIECHERS: Mr. Chairman, 23 Commissioners. For the record, my name is Robin 24 Riechers. I'm the management director of the coastal 25 fisheries division and I'm here to present to you a ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 38 1 petition for rulemaking submitted regarding Sabine 2 Lake. 3 The petition proposed that all spotted 4 seatrout, red drum and flounder landed by anglers in 5 Jefferson and Orange Counties would have to meet the 6 current Texas bag and size limits. As you know, 7 Jefferson and Orange County surround Sabine Lake 8 which is the board of water with the state of 9 Louisiana. 10 Currently on Sabine Lake, there are 11 different bag limits on red drum and spotted seatrout 12 and different size limits for all three species 13 mentioned in the petition. 14 Under the reciprocal licensing 15 agreement with Louisiana, personal license in either 16 state may fish the waters of the other state and land 17 fish according to the bag and size limits of that 18 state. For instance, a Texas angler can fish in 19 Louisiana waters catching land up to 25 spotted 20 seatrout in Texas so long as they were caught on the 21 Louisiana side. 22 Specifically, the petition cited both 23 biological and law enforcement concerns as the 24 rational for the Rule and that, due to the reciprocal 25 licensing agreement, basically that recreational bag ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 39 1 limit was being abused. 2 After reviewing the data that indicates 3 that less than one percent of anglers land greater 4 than the Texas bag limits at the current time and 5 after reviewing the resource abundance data which 6 indicates that for those three species since the 7 early 1990's, those species have been going up in 8 abundance, we would recommend denial of the petition 9 at this time and that you would direct staff to 10 continue to look at the issues regarding that 11 petition, both the data and the public input as we 12 moved forward. 13 I'll be happy to answer any questions. 14 CHAIRMAN BASS: If there are not any 15 questions, Mr. Gilleland, would you please come 16 forward and give us your comments on this agenda 17 item. 18 MR. GILLELAND: My name is Ellis 19 Gilleland. I'm a private citizen speaking for Texas 20 Animals which is an animal rights organization on the 21 internet. 22 We speak very strongly against this 23 organization because it does nothing for animals. I 24 signed up to speak for this -- to speak on this 25 Petition for Rulemaking because there was no subject ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 40 1 given of what the rulemaking is. And I see now the 2 handout had to do with fish and flounder; is that 3 correct? If that's correct then I have nothing to 4 say on that. 5 So my comment overall, generically, is 6 please put on the agenda what the subject of the 7 rulemaking is so Gilleland will not come up here and 8 state that he's advocating animal rights. Thank you. 9 CHAIRMAN BASS: Thank you, 10 Mr. Gilleland. We'll take that under advisement. 11 CHAIRMAN BASS: No further comment. 12 COMMISSIONER ANGELO: Mr. Chairman, I 13 did have a thought or a question. If we're sure 14 that -- or have we considered if the resources are 15 abundant that maybe our license -- I mean our 16 requirements or limits are too restrictive and ought 17 to be revised and more in line with the Louisiana 18 regulations. 19 Is that something that's been 20 considered? 21 MR. RIECHERS: Currently in combination 22 with the Louisiana limits, basically we are seeing 23 increases in abundance trends. Probably what those 24 are due mostly to are the removal of nets from the 25 Louisiana side, commercial netting from the Louisiana ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 41 1 side. So that's probably what has driven those 2 current increases. But we're ongoing and continuing 3 to work with Louisiana to try to develop compatible 4 regulations regarding that particular body of water. 5 CHAIRMAN BASS: Does that answer your 6 question satisfactory? 7 COMMISSIONER ANGELO: Yes, I think 8 that's important, that we try to bring them in line 9 with each other -- whichever direction that they need 10 to go. 11 COMMISSIONER IDSAL: When were those 12 nets removed? 13 MR. RIECHERS: They started the removal 14 a little bit in the early 90's but ultimately it was 15 '97 when all netting was removed from that side. 16 Thank you. 17 CHAIRMAN BASS: Other comments? Chair 18 would entertain a motion. 19 COMMISSIONER ANGELO: I move approval. 20 COMMISSIONER HENRY: Second. 21 CHAIRMAN BASS: I have a motion and a 22 second. All in favor? 23 COMMISSIONERS: Aye. 24 CHAIRMAN BASS: Any oppose? Thank 25 you. The motion carries. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 42 1 (Motion carries unanimously.) 2 "The Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission denies the 3 rulemaking petition at this time and directs the 4 staff to continue to evaluate data and review public 5 input with regard to future recommendations." 6 AGENDA ITEM NO. 5: ACTION - STATEWIDE AQUATIC 7 VEGETATION MANAGEMENT RULES 8 CHAIRMAN BASS: Item 5, Statewide 9 Aquatic Vegetation Management Rules. 10 MR. SWEENEY: Good morning, Commission. 11 I'm Bob Sweeney from the Resource Protection 12 Division. I'm here this morning to ask you to adopt 13 rules governing statewide management of aquatic 14 vegetation that will implement House Bill 3079 from 15 the most recent legislature. 16 The rules that we're bringing forward 17 for adoption today were the product of a ten month 18 rulemaking process that included people from all 19 across the spectrum that are concerned with aquatic 20 vegetation issues. And you'll see on the screen a 21 list of the participants in that task force. And I'd 22 like to say that each member of that task force made 23 an important contribution to this effort. And the 24 rules that we're proposing, I think, are greatly 25 improved by the involvement and the good work that ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 43 1 everyone on that task force did. We operated in a 2 cooperative spirit, didn't always agree, but I think 3 we had very constructive discussions and I'm very 4 thankful, personally, for all the members of that 5 task force. 6 Now, the significant changes from the 7 rules that we proposed with this Commission's 8 approval back in May, the Rule of Publication 9 Proposal was actually in July but this Commission 10 approved the publication in May. The significant 11 changes are the inclusion of a "purpose" statement, 12 number one. In that "purpose" statement, we're 13 proposing to make a change from what is in your 14 materials. And here it is: We're proposing to 15 ask -- to add in language directly from the statute 16 that makes it clear that the "purpose" statement 17 controls aquatic herbicide issues as well as the 18 broader range of measures that are taken to control a 19 nuisance aquatic vegetation in the state. This is a 20 change that was requested by the Smart Clean Water 21 Action folks. And since it essentially puts 22 statutory language into the "purpose" statement, we 23 really have no objection. 24 The second significant change from the 25 proposed rules I'd like to point out is that ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 44 1 standards are now in the rules to govern the content 2 of the guidance document. That guidance document is 3 a crucial component of our program to help control 4 nuisance aquatic vegetation statewide. 5 Third, we're defining more carefully 6 the requirements for approval of local plans; that is 7 something that was not done before, we've done it 8 now. TNRCC, among others, asked for that change. 9 And fourth, we are now explaining how 10 the guidance document itself, which is not a rule, 11 but how the guidance document will be modified and 12 we're putting some public notice provisions in there 13 so the folks will know when the guidance document is 14 being changed. 15 We've received a lot of comments on 16 these rules, about 30 written comments. We also had 17 a public hearing, we received comment at that 18 juncture. Four entities commented in favor of all 19 the rules: City of Austin, GBRA, Texas Agriculture 20 Association, Texas Agriculture Industry Association. 21 Only the city of San Angelo commented in opposition 22 to the rules. 23 We had a number of comments relating to 24 Trading House Creek Reservoir; I think we've 25 adequately answered those. We had comments from ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 45 1 Novartis Crop Protection; I think we've adequately 2 addressed those. We had comments from the Sabine 3 River Authority relating to the addition of a 4 liability cap and funding for this program and those 5 are matters that are really not within the scope of 6 this rulemaking, they're not really within our 7 statutory authority to do. And we also had comments 8 from SMART and Clean Water Action which, in large 9 part, are reflected in the rules that we're 10 proposing. 11 The next step we have now is to 12 finalize the guidance document. We have another 13 meeting of the task force in early December. The 14 staff asked today that you adopt the following 15 motion, as shown on your screen. 16 I'm available for questions. 17 CHAIRMAN BASS: If there are no 18 questions at this time, I'd like to move to the 19 public comment. Sparky Anderson from Clean Water 20 Action is here and would like to speak. 21 And David Stewart from SMART, if you'd 22 be prepared to speak after Mr. Anderson's comments. 23 MR. ANDERSON: Thank you Mr. Chairman, 24 Commissioners, Mr. Sansom. 25 Well, we're finally here to get this ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 46 1 rule package approved by the commission. It's taken 2 a considerable amount of time and energy and I want 3 to thank staff as well as all the other stake holders 4 for their very valuable input. 5 Mr. Chairman, as you remember, about 6 three years ago we raised this issue about the use of 7 aquatic herbicides, control nuisance vegetation and 8 the management, in general, of how we're going to 9 deal with this. 10 The scope of this issue is huge. Texas 11 is going to continue to see this problem of aquatic 12 vegetation being in the way of all kinds of 13 progress: The use of our reservoirs, the impacts, 14 the fisheries and the way people want to enjoy our 15 water resources. 16 The issue is controversial in the 17 management techniques. As a matter of fact, last 18 night we spent a considerable amount of time with the 19 City of Austin who is now facing a hydrilla problem 20 on Lake Austin, one of the world's best bass 21 fisheries in the country. That's the reason why it's 22 important to get this rule package out. Our 23 organizations have conceded in a lot and have 24 actually stepped back away from some of our line in 25 the sand positions simply to move this package ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 47 1 forward. The reason why is because the controversies 2 are so great, the decisions that are being made are 3 so great in the way of economics, as well as public 4 perception and need, that there needs to be some 5 guidance before local authorities, like the City of 6 Austin, to have some direction. And it's going to be 7 the job of Texas Parks and Wildlife. This issue has 8 been placed in your lap to manage and guide for the 9 rest of Texas' time. Nuisance vegetation will not go 10 away. It's like the fire ant, it's with us for life. 11 . 12 Therefore the other thing that needed 13 to be added to this action today is your 14 recommendation to staff to move forward on research, 15 more public education and to seek funding. 16 The issue of funding is critical. When 17 we got the legislation passed, it moved us forward, a 18 huge step forward, in helping to solve the debates 19 and the questions about what to do with nuisance 20 vegetation. Unfortunately the legislature didn't 21 bring along a checkbook. And with that, you're 22 leaving this responsibility in the hands of the water 23 authorities who themselves have not planned in 24 budgets and put together resources to deal with this 25 very costly issue. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 48 1 So I encourage you to keep working with 2 the staff and with the legislature to find ways to 3 improve funding to make this program work better. We 4 will continue to work with staff and this department 5 to make sure that nuisance vegetation is an issue 6 that is addressed, that is taken care of, most 7 importantly that people are assured the public safety 8 and use of our water resources are to their needs and 9 to their desire. 10 Thank you. 11 CHAIRMAN BASS: Thank you for your 12 comments and we appreciate your participation in 13 working with the group to make this -- to get us 14 where we are. 15 Mr. Stewart, please. 16 MR. STEWART: Thank you, Chairman Bass; 17 Commissioners; my friend, Andy. My name is David 18 Stewart. I am president of SMART. I guess I was one 19 of the ring leaders that caused this thing to be 20 here. It was something that really needed to be done 21 and I'm not going to add to what Sparky said but 22 there were some issues that we felt like should be in 23 the rules that didn't get there but the rules was a 24 good package. We certainly ask for your support in 25 passing these rules. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 49 1 But I would like to clarify a couple of 2 points that I believe would be some real concern to 3 this Commission if I was on there. One of them in 4 particular, I've heard some rumors of two things: 5 That they want you to support a liability cap and 6 they want the Parks and Wildlife to take over the 7 management of vegetation in the state of Texas. In 8 the sense of the word, that you're the people that 9 physically have to go take care of those statewide 10 basis. Now, you're not doing that now and I 11 certainly don't want you to do that in the future and 12 I will do my best in the next session to make sure 13 that don't happen. 14 CHAIRMAN BASS: We'll appreciate your 15 partnership. 16 MR. STEWART: Believe me, I'll be there 17 anyway. You don't need that job. What you need to 18 be as far as maintenance is concerned -- there's a 19 very interesting article that came in the last Texas 20 Parks and Wildlife News on the conservation task 21 force that some of you Commissioners were on Governor 22 Bush and there was a statement that says, 23 "Incorporate the needs of fish and wildlife into 24 existing water resource management". And to me, 25 that's how to use habitat -- vegetation is only one ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 50 1 part of habitat, okay? But to use habitat both for 2 fisheries and hunting to betterment for the whole -- 3 for the State of Texas. That's where you need to be 4 the experts, that's my idea of management for Parks 5 and Wildlife. Not physically out there with sprayers 6 or whatever you're going to talk about doing. You 7 don't need to be in that business. That's my 8 personal feeling. It's very expensive, on top of 9 that. 10 As far as the money issue is concerned, 11 you've already heard our commitment in the next 12 session that we're going to support trying to get 13 money for Parks and Wildlife for this program. And 14 you have my word again that we will do the same 15 dedication to y'all that this Bill had when it got 16 passed in the last session. 17 And I appreciate your time. Thank you 18 very much. 19 CHAIRMAN BASS: Thank you. And we also 20 appreciate the cooperative spirit and partnership in 21 working with your group and we've come a long way. 22 MR. STEWART: We have. Thank you 23 again. 24 CHAIRMAN BASS: Thank you. All right, 25 that's the public comment on this. Are there any ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 51 1 comments from the commission? 2 The Chair would entertain a motion. 3 COMMISSIONER IDSAL: So moved. 4 CHAIRMAN BASS: Motion to approve it as 5 presented. And second? 6 COMMISSIONER HENRY: Second. 7 CHAIRMAN BASS: And all in favor? 8 COMMISSIONERS: Aye. 9 CHAIRMAN BASS: Any opposed? The 10 motion carries. Thank you. 11 (Motion carries unanimously.) 12 "The Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission adopts new 13 Subchapter K of 31 Texas Administrative Code Chapter 14 57, relating to the statewide aquatic vegetation 15 management plan, as shown in Exhibit A." 16 AGENDA ITEM NO. 6: ACTION- MANAGED LANDS DEER 17 PERMITS 18 CHAIRMAN BASS: All right, Item 6, 19 managed lands deer permits. 20 CHAIRMAN BASS: Mr. Avila, are you in 21 accord with the last motion? 22 COMMISSIONER AVILA: Yes. 23 CHAIRMAN BASS: Okay, thank you. 24 MR. COOKE: Mr. Chairman and Members, 25 my name is Jerry Cooke, Game Branch Chief for the ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 52 1 wildlife division and I'm bringing you a proposed 2 change to the MLD regulations, Managed Land Deer 3 Permits regulations. 4 Because of the wording of the 5 regulations describing Level 2 and Level 3 MLD's were 6 valid, there will be weeks this year in which the 7 South and Central Texas general seasons will be open 8 for hunting but closed on these specifically approved 9 properties. This produces an inadvertent patchwork 10 of closing dates on these properties in these 11 regions. 12 This proposal would change the language 13 so that Level 2 and Level 3 MLDP's would be valid 14 through the current time-frame described in the 15 proclamation or through the closure of the regular 16 season in the county, whichever provides the longest 17 season for those properties. 18 We've received no public comment on 19 this proposal. The recommended motion as it appears 20 in your booklet would read: "The Texas Parks and 21 Wildlife Commission adopts an amendment to 31 TAC 22 65.26 concerning Managed Land Deer Permits with 23 changes to the proposed text (located in Exhibit A) 24 as published in the September 22nd, 2000 issue of the 25 Texas Register." ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 53 1 Do you have any comments or questions 2 of me? 3 COMMISSIONER ANGELO: This would apply 4 to the 2000/2001 season or not? 5 JERRY COOKE: It will. As soon as -- 6 depending on adoption. If it were adopted by you, it 7 would go into effect 20 days following our filing 8 with the Secretary of State. So it would affect this 9 hunting season that we're currently in. 10 CHAIRMAN BASS: We have some public 11 comment on this item. David Langford, if you'd come 12 forward. 13 And Mr. Gilleland, if you'd be prepared 14 to speak after Mr. Langford. 15 MR. LANGFORD: Thank you Mr. Chairman, 16 Members of the Commission. I'm David Langford, Texas 17 Wildlife Association and we very much urge that you 18 approve this. We support it and are now giving our 19 public comment and we really thank the staff for 20 finding this and rectifying it and we appreciate it 21 very much. 22 Thank you. 23 CHAIRMAN BASS: Thank you, 24 Mr. Langford. 25 Mr. Gilleland. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 54 1 MR. GILLELAND: My name is Ellis 2 Gilleland, speaking for Texas Animals, an animal 3 rights organization on the internet. 4 I'd like to remind you of an article 5 that Mark McDonald of the San Antonio News Express 6 wrote on the 13th of October 1998 when y'all first 7 started this Managed Deer thing behind the high 8 fences. He calls it, your whole program, and I 9 quote, "European even five system", unquote. That's 10 my feeling about your Managed Land Deer behind the 11 high fence of the rich folks that have 5,000 bucks to 12 spend for a deer. 13 I'd like to go back to the March 3rd 14 publication of the Texas Register where you published 15 your management spike and dove criteria with 14 16 consecutive days. Low and behold, we had the hearing 17 and then -- and the 14th of July it's published and 18 the 14 days on the Management vote got thrown out and 19 you put in there from September through January. My, 20 my, 14 days just jumps automatically without 21 publication to four months. 22 The other thing you stuck in on the 23 14th of July of 2000 publication, which was not part 24 of the original 3 March rule, was that under 2 MLD 25 must provide for two habitat management ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 55 1 recommendation. And under Level 3, must provide for 2 four habitat management recommendation. That was not 3 in the original publication. And now we're here at 4 the last iteration -- at the next to the last 5 iteration, 22 September, Texas Register, and now 6 you're going from the four-month deer season behind 7 the high fence from September to January, you're now 8 make it completely open-ended because you're saying 9 in the new rule now that let's do away with the four 10 months and now we're just saying antler's permit is 11 valid from Sunday closing September 30th to the last 12 Sunday in January and during any open deer season on 13 the property for which it is issued. So it's sort of 14 open-ended of what is going to happen behind the high 15 fence. 16 And the last iteration which will come 17 next summer, I predict, is that all -- all bag limits 18 will be removed from you rich folks behind the high 19 fences. You've gone through four steps; I've just 20 delineated it over a two-year period. So at the end 21 of the third year cycle, next year, I'll be back here 22 telling all these rich folks -- Mark's not here, I 23 wish he'd hear this -- that to shoot bucks for 5,000 24 you eliminate all bag limits behind high fences. 25 Please serve champagne and cocktails ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 56 1 and have water for the animal rights activists at the 2 gate trying to get in. 3 Thank you. 4 CHAIRMAN BASS: Dr. Cooke, for 5 clarification, neither the Managed Land Deer Permits 6 in question here nor the antlerless and spike control 7 program that Mr. Gilleland referred to is restricted 8 to high fences. 9 JERRY COOKE: It's unrelated to the 10 fence. 11 CHAIRMAN BASS: Unrelated to the -- 12 MR. COOKE: Whether there's a fence or 13 not. 14 CHAIRMAN BASS: Thank you. I just 15 wanted to clarify that. 16 Any other comments? 17 COMMISSIONER ANGELO: Move approval of 18 the recommendation. 19 COMMISSIONER IDSAL: Second. 20 CHAIRMAN BASS: Motion and a second. 21 All in favor? 22 COMMISSIONERS: Aye. 23 CHAIRMAN BASS: Opposed? Motion 24 carries. Thank you. 25 (Motion carries unanimously.) ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 57 1 "The Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission adopts an 2 amendment to 31 TAC 65.26, concerning Managed Lands 3 Deer Permits, with changes to the proposed text 4 (located at Exhibit A) as published in the September 5 22, 2000, issue of the Texas Register (25 TexReg 6 9420)." 7 AGENDA ITEM NO. 9: ACTION - LAND SALE- NACOGDOCHES 8 COUNTY (ALAZAN BAYOU WMA) 9 CHAIRMAN BASS: Item 9, Land Sale, 10 Nacogdoches County. Jack Bauer. 11 MR. BAUER: Good morning, Chairman and 12 Commissioners. My name is Jack Bauer with the Land 13 Conservation Program. This item will reflect a 14 summary of the Conservation Committee Executive 15 Session item presented yesterday. 16 Nacogdoches County has proposed to 17 Texas Parks and Wildlife the sale of 12.23 acres 18 associated with the Alazan Bayou Wildlife Management 19 Area, it's for the purpose of widening FM 2782. 20 Improvements to the road are scheduled -- include a 21 scheduled upgrade by the Texas Department of 22 Transportation. 23 The staff recommends the Commission 24 consider the motion before you to sell 12.23 acres at 25 the Alazan Bayou Wildlife Management Area to ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 58 1 Nacogdoches County for the purpose of supplying right 2 of way for road improvements. 3 That's all I have. 4 CHAIRMAN BASS: Any questions? Any 5 motion? 6 COMMISSIONER AVILA: So moved. 7 VICE-CHAIR DINKINS: Second. 8 CHAIRMAN BASS: Motion and a second. 9 All in favor? 10 COMMISSIONERS: Aye. 11 CHAIRMAN BASS: Any opposed? The 12 motion carries. Thank you. 13 (Motion carries unanimously.) 14 "The Executive Director is authorized to take all 15 steps necessary to sell approximately 12.23 acres at 16 the Alazan Bayou WMA to Nacogdoches County for the 17 purpose of supplying right-of-way for road 18 improvements to FM 2782." 19 AGENDA ITEM NO. 10: ACTION - LAND ACQUISITION - 20 KENDALL COUNTY (OLD TUNNEL WMA) 21 CHAIRMAN BASS: And Kendall County. 22 Old Tunnel Wildlife Management Area. 23 Mr. Bauer. 24 MR. BAUER: Chairman and Commissioners, 25 this item also reflects the summary of the ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 59 1 Conservation Committee Executive Session item 2 presented yesterday: Land acquisition of a 5.61 acre 3 rural subdivision lot, located adjacent to the Old 4 Tunnel Wildlife Management Area. It is recommended 5 for the purpose of providing space to construct a 6 parking lot in support of the increased public 7 visitation at Old Tunnel. 8 As directed by the Chairman, staff will 9 evaluate compatible commercial use on this property 10 that may in the future contribute to offsetting 11 operation costs at the facility. 12 The staff recommends the Commission 13 consider the motion before you to acquire 5.61 acres 14 in Kendall County as an addition to the Old Tunnel 15 Wildlife Management Area. 16 CHAIRMAN BASS: Questions or comments? 17 COMMISSIONER HENRY: Mr. Chairman. 18 CHAIRMAN BASS: Yes? 19 COMMISSIONER HENRY: Do I understand 20 that it's not necessary to include in the motion the 21 actions that were directed by the Chairman at the 22 committee meeting concerning looking into the other 23 possibilities for -- 24 CHAIRMAN BASS: I believe, as presented 25 by Mr. Bauer, the motion would include staff ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 60 1 examining. 2 COMMISSIONER HENRY: So that would 3 limit it to that effect; is that correct? 4 CHAIRMAN BASS: Yes. 5 MR. BAUER: That's certainly staff's 6 intent, sir. 7 CHAIRMAN BASS: Yes, I believe that's 8 the intent of the motion. 9 COMMISSIONER HENRY: Thank you. 10 VICE-CHAIR DINKINS: I move approval of 11 the staff recommendation. 12 COMMISSIONER AVILA: I second. 13 CHAIRMAN BASS: We have a motion and a 14 second. All in favor? 15 COMMISSIONERS: Aye. 16 CHAIRMAN BASS: Any opposed? Motion 17 carries. 18 Thank you very much, Mr. Bauer. 19 (Motion carries unanimously.) 20 "The Executive Director is authorized to take all 21 steps necessary to acquire approximately 5.61 acres 22 in Kendall County as an addition to the Old Tunnel 23 Wildlife Management Area." 24 CHAIRMAN BASS: Mr. Sansom, is there 25 any other business to come before this Commission ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 61 1 today? 2 MR. SANSOM: No, Mr. Chairman, with the 3 exception I would like to point out that we do have a 4 group of students here from the Wildlife Biology 5 Program at the Texas A & M University and their 6 professor, Mr. Lacher and we welcome them today. 7 Thank you very much. 8 CHAIRMAN BASS: Nice to have you all 9 here. 10 MR. SANSOM: And I would like to ask 11 Larry McKinney to give you a brief rundown on the 12 impact of the rainfall in the last few weeks. 13 (WHEREUPON a briefing item was 14 presented to the Commission, after which the 15 following proceedings were had:) 16 CHAIRMAN BASS: Mr. Sansom, does that 17 conclude everything that you have for us today? 18 MR. SANSOM: Yes, sir. 19 CHAIRMAN BASS: We stand adjourned. 20 MR. GILLELAND: I signed up to speak. 21 CHAIRMAN BASS: That was a briefing 22 item. Do you still wish to say something? 23 MR. GILLELAND: I'll just make a 24 comment -- 25 MR. SANSOM: Mr. Gilleland, you need to ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 62 1 come forward. 2 MR. GILLELAND: Thank you for making 3 the exception. I did sign up, though. 4 I have no comment, I just would like to 5 say that I'd like to give thanks to the source of the 6 rain. 7 Thank you. 8 CHAIRMAN BASS: Thank you, 9 Mr. Gilleland. 10 We stand adjourned. 11 (HEARING ADJOURNED) 12 ***** 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 63 1 REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE 2 STATE OF TEXAS ) 3 COUNTY OF BEXAR ) 4 I, SUSAN DILLON, a Certified Shorthand Reporter 5 in and for the State of Texas, do herby certify that 6 the above and foregoing 62 pages constitute a full, 7 true and correct transcript of the minutes of the 8 Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission on NOVEMBER 9TH, 9 2000, in the Commission 10 hearing room of the Texas Parks and Wildlife 11 Headquarters Complex in Austin, Travis County, Texas 12 I FURTHER CERTIFY that a stenographic record was 13 made by me at the time of the public meeting and said 14 stenographic notes were thereafter reduced to 15 computerized transcripts under my supervision and 16 control. 17 WITNESS MY HAND this the 4th day of January, 18 2001. 19 ___________________________ 20 SUSAN DILLON, TEXAS CSR 6064 21 Expiration Date: 12/31/01 22 1700 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100C 23 San Antonio, Texas 78230 24 (210) 377-3027 PHONE 25 (210) 344-6016 FAX ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016 . 64 1 2 3 ____________________________________ Lee M. Bass, Chairman 4 5 ____________________________________ Carol Dinkins, Vice-Chair 6 7 ____________________________________ Ernest Angelo, Jr., Member 8 9 ____________________________________ John Avila, Jr., Member 10 11 ____________________________________ Richard W. (Dick) Heath, Member 12 13 ____________________________________ Alvin L. Henry, Member 14 15 ____________________________________ Katharine Armstrong Idsal, Member 16 17 ____________________________________ Nolan Ryan, Member 18 19 ____________________________________ Mark E. Watson, Jr., Member 20 21 22 23 24 25 ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES 7800 I.H. 10 West, Suite 100c, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78230 PHONE (210) 377-3027 FAX (210) 377-6016
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